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- From: javaprog@best.com (John Lockwood)
- Newsgroups: comp.lang.c++,comp.lang.c
- Subject: Re: which c/c++ compiler for student?
- Date: Thu, 04 Apr 1996 04:34:16 GMT
- Organization: Best Internet Communications
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- pete@borland.com (Pete Becker) wrote:
-
- >>No, it's not nonsense at all. I was in the job market in Silicon
- >>Valley as recently as fourteen months ago, and at that time there were
- >>literally dozens of Visual C++ want ads for every one Borland C++ ad.
-
- > Yup. All those companies that use Visual C++ can't get anyone to work
- >for them, so they keep on advertising.
-
- On the contrary, my shop has some twenty VC++ programmers, turnover is
- very low, and we never advertise. Moreover, your argument does
- nothing to explain why, after I left my job using Borland C++ for this
- job using Visual C++, no less than three of my ex-Borland-C++-using
- colleagues ended up at this company, which, according to your view,
- "can't get anyone to work for them".
-
- Let's examine the strength of you claim further. Now that I've
- demonstrated (with a lunch offer, and spotting you points at 2 to 1)
- that the want ads overwhelmingly favor Visual C++, you retreat to the
- unfalsifiable position that companies that use the Borland compiler
- don't advertise because there are already legions of Borland
- programmers working for them, and people who use Borland compilers are
- so pre-eminently satisfied with their jobs that they never leave them.
-
-
- > Seriously, data like this is hardly conclusive, nor is it particularly
- >meaningful.
-
- Well, if you're unwilling to admit that the tool with more want ads is
- the tool that's more widely used professionally, then I'm afraid that
- no data I could offer would be conclusive or meaningful to you.
- According to your reasoning, we should both quit what we're doing and
- start using compilers by Symantec or Watcom. Everyone and his brother
- must be using those compilers, since their position in the want ads is
- to Borland's as Borland's is to Microsoft's. And that compiler that
- ships with the "Write your own operating system" book -- hell's bells,
- there are probably all sorts of companies using that!
-
- >If the claim had been "I'd recommend Visual C++ 4.0 since most of
- >the ads I see are looking for experience with it" that would be a different
- >matter.
-
- Well, like anyone I'm biased by my background; when I graduated with
- my Masters degree in the History and Philosophy of Science -- lo and
- behold! -- there were no ads for one of those. No doubt, according to
- your view, that's because there was so much professional History and
- Philosophy of Science being done that companies had no need to
- advertise. But silly me, I saw all these ads for Programmers --
- making more than double what I was making at the time waiting for one
- of my fellow historians to pass away. Now it's a few years later, I
- just bought a new kitchen set, and I'd be more than happy to start
- using Borland tools again, but Pete, quite frankly, I like you too
- much to start wishing you'd croak just so I can get your Borland job.
- ;-)
- Regards,
-
-
-
- John Lockwood
- john@wwg.com
- javaprog@best.com
- http://www.best.com/~javaprog
-
-